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Gov't to take over Fannie & Freddie

HidingFromGoro.

Posted to Business on Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 09:23:33 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac are about to be placed into a conservatorship under direct federal control.

This is different from the Bear Stearns case, because in that case the Federal Reserve under Ben Bernanke (note the url, lol) "merely" issued an emergency loan and provided guarantees when and the bulk of its assets were transferred to Chase, leaving shareholders with a nominal amount.  In the case of FNM/FRE, however, "...under a conservatorship, the common and preferred shares of Fannie and Freddie would be reduced to little or nothing, and any losses on mortgages they own or guarantee could be paid by taxpayers."

Tags: edited by Port1080, written by HidingFromGoro, ecomony, politics, mortgages, 2008-financial-crisis (all tags)

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Of course

Steve Urkel.

Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 02:43:24 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

This is going to be a painful process, but now we have all learned our lesson, and recognize that the structure of Fannie and Freddie was a mistake, and that not everyone should be encouraged, let alone allowed, to take on mortgage debt...you would think, but to believe that is to severely underestimate the stupidity of our politicians:

"In the House, Mr. Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, criticized the administration's attempt to shrink the companies. He staunchly defended the companies' ability to channel some of their profits from conventional mortgage financing to subsidize the construction of affordable rental housing and lower borrowing costs for low-income home buyers."

Nice.

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Re: Gov't to take over Fannie & Freddie

joshv.

Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 11:04:20 AM EST

none

Allowing them to fail is just not a politically tenable option.  I think Fannie and Freddie are backing something like 90% of the mortgages written in the US right now.  If they go away, almost nobody could get a new mortgage.

I happen to think that would be an excellent outcome, as it would quickly lead to a normalization of housing prices and lending practices, but then again I don't have to worry about getting elected by an angry populace.

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And so the problem begins to grow.

pO157.

Sun Sep 07, 2008 at 07:34:49 PM EST

5.00 (astute)

Senators, Reps, Presidents, Governors, whoever all pray it doesn't happen on their watch, but eventually the Big Boom is going to happen.

The question is do we let it happen under controlled circumstances when we expect it, take our lumps and learn our lesson? Or do we continue to prop up the system, reward those who did wrong, and encourage others to continue to make risky moves?

It is sad that no politician has the courage to take the second path. What does it say about our country that we would ignorantly take short term artificial prosperity over long term safety and progress?

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Re: And so the problem begins to grow.

wetkarma.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 08:56:02 AM EST

none


The question is do we let it happen under controlled circumstances when we expect it, take our lumps and learn our lesson? Or do we continue to prop up the system, reward those who did wrong, and encourage others to continue to make risky moves?

I read a Times piece recently on the risks that Florida runs by being hit by a hurricane -- the Florida solution has been to attempt to transfer their risk to other states by creating a 'national disaster fund'. People like their mortgages with their interest rates cheap and their homes rising in value. As such you will never have a politician that forces the public to take its lumps because doing so is to put his job at risk.

Memory is a strange bell, jubilee and knell.

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pO157.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:15:20 AM EST

5.00 (funny)

Cool. Florida is willing to pay for my "National Property of Law Abiding Citizens Going Down in Value Because of Double Stabbings Across the Street, Jackasses Causing Eyesores Leaving Liquor Bottles on Your Lawn and High Speed Car Chases Ending Up In Some Neighbors' Load Bearing Wall Fund*" I hope? Of course they're not. I would never want them to. I knew what I was getting into, buying in a higher crime area in a Class 4 Dystopian Shithole to help "revitalize" an urban area; just like they knew they were buying in Hurricane Alley.

Oddly enough, writing to my Congressional delegation using a similar analogy as above and ending with the terse line "Now where's my free money?" doesn't really get many replies.

*We can call it the NPLACGDVBDSASJCELLBYLHSCCEUSNLBWF for short.

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skeptic.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 11:57:31 AM EST

none

I am impressed by your acronym, which is the most unwieldy I have ever seen; I hope that the people from the Guiness Book of World Records are paying attention.

There is always this interplay between the ideals of socialism vs. those of the free market.  Should the government solve people's problems for them, or should people be left to their own devices?  Societies that have tried to create all-encompassing socialist states have failed, because it's too expensive, and because human beings have been too corrupt to make such an idealistic system work.  Even so, the idea never completely loses its appeal, because it is such a lovely dream, that everybody is protected from the tragedies and failures of life.  Whenever we see people suffering, we (at least, those of us who are not sociopaths) always have at least some impulse that "somebody should do something about this" although that somebody may very well not be us.  We have more urgent concerns.

The free market also has a compelling philosophical basis.  By allowing everybody to suffer or benefit from the consequences of their own actions, we support the principle of individual responsibility, and motivate people to solve their own problems rather than using up limited social resources.

So far, the best we have come up with is some kind of compromise, which is to use some elements of socialism mixed with some elements of the free market.  But there is, of course, constant argument about exactly where to draw the line.

In this particular case, I think it is not unreasonable for the government to intervene in the mortgage situation.

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Semi-privatization

Shy Elf.

Mon Sep 08, 2008 at 06:48:41 PM EST

5.00 (interesting, astute)

One side of the argument wanted a tightly regulated mortgage insurance market, with government credit authority backing it up in order to guarantee qualifying consumers low rates.  The other wanted a private company free to meet the needs of the market by aggressively maximizing profits with non-traditional loans  So they compromised , and we got a federal agency run for profit by private investors with the implied backing of the US government should they run into trouble.  It was this implied government backing which allowed them to grow so big.

One side of the debate on coastal building wanted to limit where people could build, and bail them out should their homes be destroyed.  The other wanted to let people build anywhere at their own risk.  So they compromised and you can build anywhere you like, and the government will (sort of) bail you out.

Compromise.  It's what made this country what it is today.

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Mercurial Helmsman.

Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 08:56:46 AM EST

none

Housing prices normalize as crime rates then do what?

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zyxwvutsr.

Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:06:23 AM EST

none

As crime rates soar, of course. People who get foreclosed on often become rapists and murderers.

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