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When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The City Of Bozeman Owns You

MayorBob.

Posted to Legal on Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 10:06:34 AM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Remember back to a week after last year's election?  Remember when people were wondering how to land a job with the new administration?  Easiest thing ever.  Just fill out this seven page application and you too could end up filling some executive post in the federal government.  People got exercised over this because, in addition to expected information, you were asked to document and explain any emails or internet postings you might have made over the past couple of years.  But there were limits to what you were asked for.  For instance, applicants weren't required to surrender up all their social networking handles and passwords.  While you might not need to divulge that level of detail for a job say guarding nuclear secrets or rescuing banks, apparently if you want to be as much as a dog catcher for a Montana town all your secrets belong to the city.

When one job seeker applied for a job with the city of Bozeman he discovered a disclosure form (pdf doc) authorizing the city to conduct a background check on him.  It's all the standard stuff you might expect an employer to want to verify: employment history; education; credit history; criminal records and character references and the like.  But he noticed something just a bit more than you find on any other job app; he saw that the city wanted him to list any internet social networking sites he frequented.  Not only that, he was asked for all his user names and passwords for his accounts.

Amy Cannata of the ACLU's Montana chapter says the city has crossed over the line.  According to city attorney Greg Sullivan, the city would never look at any information the federal constitution says is off limits.  But, according to Sullivan:

"We have positions ranging from fire and police, which require people of high integrity for those positions, all the way down to the lifeguards and the folks that work in city hall here. So we do those types of investigations to make sure the people that we hire have the highest moral character and are a good fit for the City."
Besides, according to Sullivan the information is strictly voluntary, nobody who has ever applied has questioned the policy, and refusal to provide that information would not necessarily prevent an applicant from being considered.  However, information on Bozeman's web site indicates that applicants who don't provide requested information or "can't follow instructions ... will NOT be considered."  State Representative Brady Wiseman (D - Bozeman) agrees that the city has overstepped its bounds.  He says that "asking for passwords is over the line" and that this issue "opens up a whole new line of debate on privacy."  Sullivan said the city may rethink their policy but still believes it has an interest in knowing what its employees are doing online on their own time.  He suggested one possible solution might be having employees list the city as a "friend" on the sites, allowing city agents to monitor activities.

Update: Following a city staff meeting, the city dropped the password requirement and apologized for any negative impact it had, but "The City will continue using the Internet as part of background checks to judge the character of applicants. Although the City will stop asking for passwords, Kukulski said the passwords already given by previous applicants will remain the confidential property of the City."

Tags: edited by port1080, written by MayorBob, employment, social networking sites, privacy, Montana (all tags)

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

wayhip.

Mon Jun 29, 2009 at 02:58:25 AM EST

4.00 (funny)

Why give up anything? "no sir! too busy being a busy be to social network! I live for my job!"

How do they know that you become "Thalgar the savage thruster" after hours?

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

DEMachina.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 10:21:29 AM EST

none

Okay, I think the password thing was completely out of line, but I don't have a problem with employers looking up people's myspace or facebook profiles.  I mean, you put on the Internet, so I don't think you can complain when someone looks it up.  So yeah, that's fine.

Now, I need to go untag some photos on Facebook....

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

pO157.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 11:54:34 AM EST

none

I don't have a problem either with employers checking out their workers or applicants public internet presence. Then again, I'm not a doofus and I don't put scandalous stuff that is associated with my real name on the intertubes. But if anybody ever asked me for my passwords or anything like that my response would be an amalgamation of polite, but firm, profanities and the historically awesome quote "That's a negative ghostrider, the pattern is full.*"

Now, I need to go untag some photos on Facebook....

I don't know, I think it's great your 'friends' can be that flexible while you inhale all that powdered sugar. That's talent, right there.

*Which I always kind of wanted to say to an aggressive, coked out panhandler but I'm kind of afraid they wouldn't appreciate Top Gun and would probably try to kick my ass.  

Even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power!

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

Lou.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 11:53:27 AM EST

none

Maybe I'm being nostalgic...but wasn't there a time when work was work and personal was personal and rarely the twain did meet?  Now it seems like employers need to know you down to the molecular level.

And employer, please...like I'm even going to make you friend.  Perhaps MyBook or FaceSpace can make a special page for user's employers.  I could have the Lou FaceBook Employers and not Friends at All page.  There I could post pictures of healthy, wholesome activities.  While on the real Lou page, I can chat with my friends about drunken revelries and our plans to install a liberal muslin government.

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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the muslin conspiracy

skeptic.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 02:23:11 PM EST

5.00 (cottony)

Yes, I too support a muslin government; it's my favorite kind of fabric.

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Re: the muslin conspiracy

Lou.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 02:58:30 PM EST

none

I prefer Egyptian cotton myself.  400 or better thread count.

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

DEMachina.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 01:48:42 PM EST

none

Now it seems like employers need to know you down to the molecular level.

Yeah, I hate this trend.  I applied for a temp job recently and they were surprised when I wouldn't sign something giving them veto over my taking a permanent job via another temp agency (which is probably unenforceable since I'm a lawyer, and my state isn't okay with non-compete clauses for lawyers, but still).  Drug tests are another example.  If I do my job well, I can be an alcoholic and they don't care, but if I smoke weed then I'm magically a bad employee.  Ridiculous.

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

MayorBob.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 02:04:41 PM EST

none

What you said.  Now, I'll get nostalgic and recall my days in the Army.  I can recall when the favorite activity of most troopers when they were on downtime was to bitch about just how fucked up the Army and those above you in the chain of command was.  Used to be an old, honored saw that went "a bitching unit is a happy unit."  That sort of thing allowed people to blow off steam, clear the air and form cohesion so that when you really needed performance, people would jump to and get the job done.  Now, it's become a big deal that if you draw a paycheck from someone, that means you owe them total loyalty and a lid on your personal opinions 24/7.  The internet, for all its merits in information, porn and extending the reach for the average person, also makes it easier for employers to snoop and pry into their employees' private affairs.  So what if I belong to the starbuckssucks.com discussion board?  All that Starbucks should care about is: do I show up for work, do a good job and don't alienate the clientele.

Tending to final details.

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

Lou.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 02:17:38 PM EST

none

That sort of thing allowed people to blow off steam, clear the air and form cohesion

Now that all falls under "bad attitude".

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

Thalia.

Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:03:20 AM EST

none

OH yeah, the good old days.  Company towns.  Company snitches.  

Gosh, didn't you love it when your company didn't try to own your soul.  Oh wait, that never was.  

T.

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16 Tons, and what do you get?

Lou.

Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 07:20:12 AM EST

none

Good lord woman, how old do you think I am?  Companies have always tried to own your soul...it just seems this modern technology that you young whippersnappers like to flaunt seems to give the boss more ways to intrude.

Now, get off a my lawn.

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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...Another year older and deeper in debt.

pO157.

Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 02:08:43 PM EST

none

That song makes a great "away message" on my birthday. Nowadays the whippersnappers would probably put Tennessee Earl Ford on their Face Book "Statuses" instead. Damn kids. Off my lawn, the lot of ye! Etc.

Even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power!

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

pO157.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 11:57:12 AM EST

none

Also, I'd like to say it's best to live your life by the Ten Crack Commandments.

In this case commandment #7 should control:
Keep your family (friends) and business completely separated.

Never mix business with pleasure. That is all.

Even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power!

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

pO157.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 12:48:46 PM EST

none

Upon further review, the ruling on the field is overturned. Asking for passwords is completely retarded. Montana remains a libertarian paradise* and the ball will be placed at the 1 yard line. FIIIIIIRST DOWN!

*Although if I recall correctly from the last time I was there places like Bozeman were slowly swinging left as a lot of influx moved in to the area.

Even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power!

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There was that update at the bottom ...

MayorBob.

Sun Jun 21, 2009 at 01:56:02 PM EST

none

... of the write-up which essentially said the same thing the Faux News link said.  As I noted in the subqueue, the decision by the city didn't address the issue of requiring employees to list the city as a friend on social networking sites.  Perhaps they didn't address it because they didn't even want to go there having egg all over their faces and all.  Or perhaps they didn't address it because they really don't see a problem with pulling that level of gross intrusion into employees' lives.  After all, they said all the passwords which were provided would remain the property of the town.  Now, if I were such an employee, I'd have changed my passwords almost as soon as I gave them up to the town.

Tending to final details.

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Re: When You Work For The City Of Bozeman, The Cit

Thalia.

Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 05:06:38 AM EST

none

My employer is not my friend.  In fact, my coworkers aren't my friends on social networking sites.  It's not that I don't like them.  It's that I don't think mixing my work life and my personal life is a particularly good plan.  Although I must admit that even so my posts are exceedingly boring, and wouldn't bother the most straightlaced person.  Well, maybe the happily childfree, or those trying to conceive, would be bothered by discussions of the joys of baby poo.

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Just freak out

3fingerspointback.

Mon Jun 22, 2009 at 08:44:05 PM EST

none

That's my advice.  Don't be afraid.  Just freak out.  No one at your job really gives a crap what you do as long as you aren't actually hurting anyone in any of your photos.  If there is anything we have learned from letting congresspeople have access to Twitter, it is this.

My LinkedIn account includes both people I work with and a mailing list for bitter downsized ex-employees from my company.  I'm signed up to a similar Yahoo! group.  No one cares, and the few employers who do care enough to fire people over it are going to rightsize themselves into evolutionary irrelevance in the next few years.

(is 3fingerspointback)

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