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Breaking News: Al Franken, Senator

port1080.

Posted to Politics on Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 02:03:42 PM EST (promoted by wetkarma). RSS.

After a long, drawn out court battle, Minnesota's state supreme court has denied Norm Coleman's challenges to last November's vote totals. Shortly thereafter, Coleman conceded and Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty agreed to certify the results.

In addition to wrapping up the last undecided race of the 2008 federal elections, this decision gives Senate Democrats a theoretically filibuster-proof three-fifths majority (counting the two independent Senators that caucus with the Democrats). Longterm fiscally conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats such as Bill Nelson, as well as pathetically desperate turncoat new Democratic moderate Arlen Specter may occasionally throw some monkey wrenches into the legislative process, but overall it just became much easier for Democrats to pass legislation, confirm appointments, and otherwise proceed with their legislative agenda.

Barring any further changes in the makeup of the Senate, for at least the next year and a half the government will be operating in almost undprecendented territory. The last time one party controlled the House and Presidency, and had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate was during the Carter administration, and the last time there was such cohesiveness in the majority party was probably during FDR's second term. Of course, this doesn't necessarily bode well for Obama - Carter is hardly remembered fondly, and in that period from '37 to '39, when he had the strongest control of Congress he ever would, FDR committed perhaps his greatest overreach and attempted to pack the Supreme Court, an act that fractured his party and hamstrung his legislative efforts thereafter.

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Re: Breaking News: Al Franken, Senator

DEMachina.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:00:15 PM EST

4.00 (compelling)

Of course, this doesn't necessarily bode well for Obama - Carter is hardly remembered fondly, and in that period from '37 to '39, when he had the strongest control of Congress he ever would, FDR committed perhaps his greatest overreach and attempted to pack the Supreme Court, an act that fractured his party and hamstrung his legislative efforts thereafter.

All of this has what to do with Obama's chances?  This is basically the same as saying, "hey, other presidents have fucked up too, so that doesn't look good for this one!"  Give me a break.

Also: it seems that the response to the complaints about liberal bias among stories published here has been to just let a conservative bias come through in others.  Is that what we're doing rather than trying to keep bias out entirely?

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Was That For Me?

uncarved block.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:38:42 PM EST

none

    If so, I can explain my comment further. If not, I won't :)

Ex ignorantia ad sapientiam; e luce ad tenebras

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Re: Was That For Me?

DEMachina.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:08:45 PM EST

none

Sorry, what comment?  #5 (the one this is a reply to) is the only one of yours I see on here....

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Re: Breaking News: Al Franken, Senator

port1080.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 05:12:33 PM EST

none

All of this has what to do with Obama's chances?  This is basically the same as saying, "hey, other presidents have fucked up too, so that doesn't look good for this one!"  Give me a break.

It's relevant because it provides background information about the last two times this happened.  I don't see how it's an implication that Obama will fail - it's just a warning that this doesn't necessarily mean anything one way or the other.  Obama may fail, Obama may succeed. That 60th vote doesn't automatically mean he will succeed.  The reason I included it, is that I've seen some people in a rapture about Franken coming to the Senate - they think this will automatically mean that the government will run smooth sails.  Just pointing out that isn't necessarily the case.

Also: it seems that the response to the complaints about liberal bias among stories published here has been to just let a conservative bias come through in others.  Is that what we're doing rather than trying to keep bias out entirely?

Two things - first, I actually was trying to write a relatively neutral POV story here.  The Spector comment was just a bit of snark - I'm actually a Spector supporter, more or less, but I still think what he did was relatively weasely (and it's not like he hasn't admitted, in public, that the main reason he did it was because he thought he'd lose the Republican primary - if he thought he could win it, he'd still be a Republican).  The stuff about 60 votes not necessarily being all that it's cracked up to be, well, I covered that above, but again, no slam on Obama intended.  

Second, though, I actually have somewhat changed my mind on neutral POV.  As long as a story has the facts down, and is well written, I'm okay with it having some slant.  We're all smart enough here to do our own research and understand the issue - I don't think anyone was "fooled" by gerrymander's POV shining through the Ricci article.  If there's something you disagree with in a story, well, there's ample room to explore that in a comment.  If all we're presenting is the straight news, well, how are we any different than an AP feed that runs stories a day late?

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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Re: Breaking News: Al Franken, Senator

DEMachina.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:09:51 PM EST

none

For the bias thing, I really was asking the question; trying to figure out if that's what the editorial consensus was.

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Forget 60

novy.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 03:07:55 PM EST

none

Do we need his vote enough to roll Teddy out of his hospital bed? Bob Byrd will definitely be better by next week, so maybe we should hold up that vote. I'm pretty sure we can keep two or three blue dogs with us on this issue.

What? We have 60 votes in this body? I don't think so.

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Re: Forget 60

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 03:13:54 PM EST

none

We?

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Re: Forget 60

delete me.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 04:19:11 PM EST

none

It takes two of us to push Teddy around.

- derumi (del-me)
"It is the farewell kiss, you dog!" - Muntadhar al-Zaidi

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Re: Forget 60

novy.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 06:11:20 PM EST

none

I was imagining some Democratic whip surveying his territory. Feel free not to understand.

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Re: Forget 60

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 09:27:12 PM EST

none

I thought you were Russian.

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Re: Forget 60

novy.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 10:05:55 PM EST

none

Russian-Canadian?

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Re: Forget 60

zyxwvutsr.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 09:27:35 PM EST

none

Or are you a Georgian who pretends to be Russian?

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Re: Forget 60

novy.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 10:11:54 PM EST

none

Like Joe Stalin or Ilya Kovalchuk?

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Re: Forget 60

pO157.

Wed Jul 01, 2009 at 11:13:01 PM EST

none

Pretty much this. Barring Byrd and Kennedy's health the Dems are still relatively fractured what with the blue dogs and people like Santorum and Lieberman.

It's not a solid as a rock bloc.

♫You's a superstar boy, why you still up in the hood?♫

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Re: Forget 60

MC Nally.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 03:42:03 AM EST

4.00 (senatorial)

the Dems are still relatively fractured what with the blue dogs and people like Santorum and Lieberman.
Presumably you mean the other Pennsylvania senator..

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Re: Forget 60

pO157.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 05:48:43 AM EST

none

In my defense it was late when I wrote that and my mind was on other things.

♫You's a superstar boy, why you still up in the hood?♫

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Al Franken, Senator

skeptic.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 01:25:35 PM EST

none

I always liked Al Franken as a comedian, and I'm sure I'll like him as a senator as well.  And now that he has established a precedent for comedians going into politics, perhaps someday Jon Stewart will follow his example.  One never knows.

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

pO157.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 04:36:24 PM EST

none

Do you think its dangerous for people to get into political office simply due to name recognition? I kind of do.

Bottles and cans just clap your hands just clap your hands

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

delete me.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 08:22:09 PM EST

none

Like, George Washington or Lech Walesa, or are we just talking about the sole qualification of their name being well-known?

- derumi (del-me)
"It is the farewell kiss, you dog!" - Muntadhar al-Zaidi

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

pO157.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 10:01:57 PM EST

4.00 (compelling)

Pretty much this. He's published books that can't even get past the title without resorting to personal attacks. That's great if you are a comedian, but I like my debate civilized and classy.

Bottles and cans just clap your hands just clap your hands

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

DEMachina.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 08:42:35 AM EST

4.50 (funny, funny, succinct)

...but I like my debate civilized and classy.

Hi, welcome to the United States.  You must be new here.

Q: What do you think of western civilization? Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

port1080.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 10:02:01 AM EST

4.00 (interesting)

Pretty much this. He's published books that can't even get past the title without resorting to personal attacks. That's great if you are a comedian, but I like my debate civilized and classy.

I have not read either of his books, but my understanding is that the titles are ironic, and that the style of the books themselves are the exact opposite of the titles (which are meant to be a commentary on the tactics of conservative radio/tv commentators).  I used to think the same as you (i.e. Al Franken must be a dick if that's the way he titles his books), but I've read enough comments about the books (including from some conservative commentators) that describe them as being well documented and not at all like what you'd expect from the titles that I eventually changed my mind.

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

pO157.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 11:14:02 AM EST

none

Meh, I read that particular book back in '99. I don't recall much about it except remembering his anecdotes about Limbaugh's weight. Then again, if I run for office maybe you'll all be calling me out on my profanity laden rantings over on the diary section. Or something.

Bottles and cans just clap your hands just clap your hands

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

delete me.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 02:24:10 AM EST

none

That's compelling, but think of the names of the bills he'll sponsor!

- derumi (del-me)
"It is the farewell kiss, you dog!" - Muntadhar al-Zaidi

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Re: Bill names

pO157.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 09:13:26 AM EST

none

I think the only think preventing fascism from taking root in this country is the fact that nobody has been able to come up with enough cool bill names and associated acronyms for their government expanding machinations. I believe you could pass a bill that would add Hitler to the $20 bill if you named it the "Save our Children from Terrorists, Communists and Protect The Sweet Air of Freedom from Liberty Stealing French" or something along those lines. But it would have to have a cool acronym as well.

Bottles and cans just clap your hands just clap your hands

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Re: Al Franken, Senator

zyxwvutsr.

Thu Jul 02, 2009 at 10:49:56 PM EST

none

Like "Bush" or "Clinton" or "Kennedy" or "Cuomo". It's a shameful thing to vote for a dynasty.

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name recognition

skeptic.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 09:46:56 AM EST

none

I don't think that anyone gets into office simply due to name recognition, because there has to be some reason why someone's name is recognized.  People have to have actually done something memorable, if you recognize their name.  Al Franken, for example, has not only been a good comedian, he has done comedy with a political theme, and in so doing he has shown real political insight, which suggests that as a Senator he will do more than just make jokes in the Senate.  And even though we can think of people such as Ronald Reagan whose main qualification for high office seems to have been that they had been famous actors, we also find that such people do become activists first; they do have some real involvement in politics.

And ultimately, no one gets elected without some element of name recognition.  You don't vote for someone if you don't even know who that person is.  Name recognition is an essential part of any political career.

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Re: name recognition

Steve Urkel.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 03:25:19 PM EST

none

Reagan was elected president after being the sucessful two-term governor of California. Prior to being governor he was a Republican party activist. Prior to that he toured the country giving politically themed speeches he wrote himself.

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Re: name recognition

skeptic.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 04:08:38 PM EST

none

Yes, I already noted that if we look at the careers of actors who become politicians, we see that they became activists first.

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July 4th

Steve Urkel.

Fri Jul 03, 2009 at 07:45:24 PM EST

none

Speaking of frankenfurters, don't miss American superstarJoey Chestnut defend his title against the legendary Takeru Kobayashi in the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest tomorrow.

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