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Breaking News: Transportation Secretary Says, "Stop Driving Toyotas"

pO157.

Posted to Business on Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 12:48:56 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

Shares of Toyota Motors plummeted after the US Secretary of Transportation, Ray LaHood, advised consumers to immediately stop driving their car if it was one of the defective models. Toyota models with these defects are subject to unintended acceleration due to a manufacturer's defect. The problem is believed to impact 2.3 million cars in the United States and 4.5 million worldwide.

Toyota was previously excoriated in the press for sending new gas pedals and repair kits to manufacturing plants so that new cars could be immediately sold, rather than embargoed as unsafe. This meant that current owners were required to keep driving cars around that could randomly speed up and can't slow down.

Congressional hearings are continuing into this matter and the US government is considering fining Toyota -- saying the automaker had to be "pushed" to begin recalls. In the interim Toyota told Congress that it believes stories of "drivers losing control over acceleration as their cars race to 60 miles per hour or higher" were "sensational" and that sticky gas pedals may not be the sole cause of these incidents.

Tags: written by pO157, Toyota, car, gas, gas pedal, manufacturer defect, warranty, Japan, trade, Ray LaHood (all tags)

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Re: Breaking News: Transportation Secretary Says,

port1080.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 01:17:31 PM EST

4.50 (cinematic, pugilistic)

In the interim Toyota told Congress that it believes stories of "drivers losing control over acceleration as their cars race to 60 miles per hour or higher" were "sensational" and that sticky gas pedals may not be the sole cause of these incidents.

When reading that, did anyone else think of this?

Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Business woman on plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Business woman on plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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pO157.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 01:28:19 PM EST

5.00 (literary)

I was thinking more along the lines of this, but your example works, too.

Never compromise.

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The Ironic Thing Here.

Bertrand.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 09:20:34 PM EST

4.00 (ironic)

Is the fact that Toyota has been brought low due to malfunctioning, substandard American-made parts.

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Re: The Ironic Thing Here.

ckm.

Thu Feb 04, 2010 at 12:22:02 PM EST

5.00 (interesting)

Your point is a complete red herring, it has nothing to do with a part being made in the US or not.

It's not the manufacturing that's faulty, even Toyota has acknowledged that, Jim Press pointed this out in one of his many interviews.   The part was built EXACTLY as designed/specified.

It's the design itself that is faulty, and that is completely Toyota's doing.

Chris.

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Re: The Ironic Thing Here.

Lou.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 09:29:47 PM EST

none

I like a bit of irony in my diet...but is this true?  I'm not doubting you...but Toyota is (was?) huge into quality control.  I'm surprised that substandard parts from any source would make the cut.

Minty fresh

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Bertrand.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 09:41:15 PM EST

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It's my understanding that the malfunctioning gas pedals which caused the initial recall of two million Toyotas were manufactured by an American firm in Ohio.  Another related gas pedal problem had to do with floor mats which got caught on the accelerator pedal.  The situation was so bad that Toyota stopped manufacture of eight separate model lines until they could ensure gas pedals were being made to specs.  My grandfather finds this all ironic in that, as a thirty year worker on the line at a Ford assembly line, he remembers a time when Japanese cars were sneered at by American auto makers as cheap and undependable pieces of crap.  Sounds to me like something out of Back to the Future.

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port1080.

Thu Feb 04, 2010 at 08:25:55 AM EST

none

This isn't just a US problem - Toyota is now acknowledging a seperate problem with the Prius braking system, including Prius's that were made and sold in Japan.  There is some question as to whether the problem is really with the foot pedal as well - some people think it's actually the electronic throttle, and that Toyota is trying to dodge the issue by blaming the pedal.  Normally I'd be skeptical of such claims, but Toyota's made such a mess of this (it seems that it tried ignore both the Prius brake problem and the accelerator problem long after they were brought to its attention) that if I owned a Toyota I'm not sure I'd trust their denials.

Ce n'est pas une pipe. C'est une signature.

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Re: Break News: Transportation Secretary Says,

Milo.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 01:06:24 PM EST

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Call me a skeptic. Things like this always get blown way out of proportion. Of course the transportation secretary is bashing Toyota -- it has been beating the US automakers to death. It's the same thing as when Japan wants to ban US beef imports on the slightest sign that mad cow was found here.

Does anyone have any idea how many people have actually been affected by this? Sometimes people do stupid things and blame it on the car. Then, when an issue like this gets on the news, it causes other people to have the same problem (call it the placebo effect). It wouldn't surprise me if 90% of this was a phantom issue.

-milo-

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pO157.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 01:25:11 PM EST

none

Does anyone have any idea how many people have actually been affected by this?

Who knows. A friend of mine has a lease on a new Toyota and his car is on the recall list. The dealer doesn't seem interested in fixing the problem though. However, recently he claims at least two instances wherein his car sped up without him pushing the gas pedal --- including one the other day where he was driving his moderately hot girlfriend and they almost rear ended some woman. However, this could be the placebo effect because he didn't report this until after the news came out. Who knows.

Never compromise.

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Re: Break News: Transportation Secretary Says,

Milo.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:43:52 PM EST

none

Maybe I'm being overly skeptical. But I can imagine this scenario: you're driving down the road in your Camry texting your friend and the car in front of you slows down. You rear-end it. Then, oh my god, my car must have accelerated without me pushing the peddle -- that's the only explanation!

-milo-

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Steve Urkel.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 07:57:06 PM EST

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I've been wondering the same thing, and was reminded of this.

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Re: Breaking News: Transportation Secretary Says,

joshv.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 01:49:11 PM EST

none

Steve Wozniak claims it's a software issue, and he can reproduce it reliably.

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Re: Breaking News: Transportation Secretary Says,

Milo.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:30:46 PM EST

none

Ok, I am a skeptic. But if Woz says it's a software issue, I tend to believe him. That guy is no dope.

-milo-

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Re: Breaking News: Transportation Secretary Says,

joshv.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:33:39 PM EST

none

And he's a little OCD with respect to these sorts of things.  I imagine when he discovered the issue he probably spent about an hour on the highway testing various scenarios, and far overshot his destination.

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Re: Breaking News: Transportation Secretary Says,

T Slothrop.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 02:59:08 PM EST

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Give it up for joshv, folks. He'll be here all week. Don't forget to tip the wait staff, and... try the veal.

Your authority is not recognized here in Fort Kickass...

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Re: Breaking News: Transportation Secretary Says,

pO157.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 at 03:37:48 PM EST

none

And just a few hours later Secretary LaHood is backing off his previous comments.

Never compromise.

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