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Child Pornographers Must Pay

DEMachina.

Posted to Legal on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 02:48:37 PM EST (promoted by port1080). RSS.

The victim of one of the net's most famous series of child porn movies, known as "The Misty Series," has begun a legal campaign to claim restitution from every single person who has downloaded an image or movie depicting her.

The victim, now 19 and identified solely as "Amy" in court records and the press, was sexually abused by her uncle starting at age 8.  The uncle is now in jail, but copies of the movies and images of her abuse continue to circulate around the Internet.  Over 800 people have been charged with possessing the images.

Her new round of cases began when, as required by federal law, Amy was notified each time an image of her as a child was found on a defendant's computer.  Her lawyer then came up with an idea: seek restitution from each defendant.

The Violence Against Women Act (codified at 42 U.S.C. § 13981) requires restitution for the victims of sex crimes.  (Note that a different part of the law was ruled unconstitutional on federalism/Commerce Clause grounds; see United States v. Morrison).  So, using the notifications from the Justice Department, Amy's lawyer began intervening in those cases and asking for restitution.  He hired a psychologist to examine her, and economists to tally the financial cost to her (the total came to approximately $3.4 million).  Amy wrote a victim impact statement.

The results have been mixed.  The first victory came from a civil suit in Connecticut, where even then the judge admitted it was a new frontier.  Since then, Amy's lawyer has automated the process, and sent requests to intervene to 350 U.S. Attorneys prosecuting people accused of possessing parts of The Misty Series.  Some judges have granted restitution, others have refused.  After about 20 cases, Amy and another victim have collected $170,000 so far.  One judge in Florida ordered a single defendant to pay the full $3.4 million, although that case is on appeal (and even if she wins, the defendant is serving a 50-year sentence and has few assets).

Commentators and the government itself are also divided.  After the Connecticut ruling, Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University wrote in his blog that the ruling was "highly questionable" and "stretches personal accountability to the breaking point."  He and others (such as Corey Yung, a professor at the John Marshall Law School in Chicago) argue that the harm caused by possession of child pornography, as opposed to the actual production and abuse of children, is too attenuated to warrant restitution.  

A lawyer with the Administrative Office of the Courts argued last summer that the law did not support restitution in these situations; an assistant attorney general in the Dept. of Justice's criminal section issued a letter in October saying that they do not agree.

Still another perspective is that restitution might reverse the trend among judges, legislatures, and the public to steadily increase jail time for sex offenders, particularly those whose victims are children.  For example, in late January, the California Supreme Court ruled that a ballot initiative allowing the indefinite extension of sentences for sexually violent predators might violate Equal Protection.

It's hard to find sympathy for the offenders in these cases, to be sure, but the law (and especially the Constitution) does not suddenly disappear when sex crimes are involved.  Still, restitution does have its benefits: it's a further disincentive to the producers, who have been paying restitution for years, and perhaps to the possessors, depending on how these cases eventually turn out (it seems likely they'll end up at the Supreme Court sooner or later).

† Am I the only one who think this is a terrible name for a law?
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Tags: edited by Port1080, written by DEMachina, child pornography, civil law, justice (all tags)

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Re: Child Pornographers Must Pay

port1080.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 03:05:30 PM EST

none

I would rather see monetary penalties than jail time, but I really think that this child porn / pedophilia witch-hunt has to stop.  The people who actually make the stuff - throw the book at them, certainly.  Simple possession, though?  That could be anything from someone who's a step away from taking his fantasy to reality, to someone who was stupid and curious but got no gratification from viewing it (the same instinct that makes you look a site like rotten.com, even though it disgusts you), to someone that downloaded it by mistake and never had any intention of viewing child porn in the first place.  In a sane judicial system those factors would be taken into context, but our judicial system is hardly sane, with judges and prosecutors afraid to do anything other than throw the book at offenders, for fear of being accused of being soft on crime.  

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 03:59:44 PM EST

2.00 (creepy, pornographic)

If I had a photograph of myself as a child, naked, would that be illegal porn?

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Re: Child Pornographers Must Pay

port1080.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 04:23:04 PM EST

none

I'm not sure why you're asking me, but in my opinion it should not be.  I really don't know what the actual law would be, but I imagine it's a bit of a gray area - probably legal and not a problem, but if you ran into a crazy enough judge + DA combo, you might get charged.

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Re: Child Pornographers Must Pay

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 04:35:00 PM EST

none

Who would be the victim?

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Re: Child Pornographers Must Pay

Thalia.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 04:51:25 PM EST

5.00 (unconstitutional)

You can be the victim & perpetrator at the same time according to some DAs.  Doesn't make sense, but it's out there.

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No, it surely doesn't.

Bertrand.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 04:53:27 PM EST

3.00 (funny)

But I do believe the law will cut you some slack if you have thirty to forty year old bare rug snapshots of yourself.

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Re: No, it surely doesn't.

joshv.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 04:58:19 PM EST

none

Actually, given the horror stories I've read, we've kept the camera away from bath time or any other time our new child might be au natural.   Might be a little paranoid, but we don't need naked pictures of our baby, and I really really don't want some overzealous Walmart photo department tech calling the police on me.

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Lou.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 05:24:05 PM EST

none

nah...go ahead an put the picture back up on the bathroom wall.

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:06:26 PM EST

none

Actually, this story has inspired me to email it to you (untraceable, natch), call the cops, and then sue you for damages after your conviction.

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Lou.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:13:19 PM EST

4.67 (brilliant, funny, funny)

The cops were already here.  As it turns out, it's not illegal to have a picture of a chimp wearing no clothes.

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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Re: the battle

zyxwvutsr.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:30:21 PM EST

none

This isn't over!

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ook ook

Lou.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 02:59:07 PM EST

5.00 (adorable)

Jeez Ken...have a banana and chill.

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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Bertrand.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:37:03 PM EST

none

Will you include a coupon for some eye bleach along with the photo?

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zyxwvutsr.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:42:31 PM EST

none

You're actually soliciting me to send an illegal photo? That's probably a crime already.

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Bertrand.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:22:21 PM EST

none

No.  I don't want the picture.  I just think as a public service you need to include some eye bleach.

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Lou.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 04:47:14 PM EST

none

Some things bleach can't help.  Some things you can unsee.  You might need a forebrain shampoo.

Why does reduced fat Swiss cheese have twice as many holes are regular Swiss cheese?

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Re: Child Pornographers Must Pay

stevetherobot.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 05:45:04 PM EST

none

I'm ok with penalties for possession, though I'd want to be sure that the person downloaded it and knew that it was child porn.  Demand drives supply.  If people didn't pay for it and download it, the supply would dry up pretty quickly.

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Re: Child Pornographers Must Pay

DEMachina.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:41:35 PM EST

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I definitely agree you should have to know you're getting child porn to be liable.

What I wonder, though, is how profit-driven this "industry" really is.  I suspect most consumers wouldn't be willing to pay for it, because that's quite hard to do without a paper trail of some kind leading back to you.

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